AAAAARGHHH!
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kangeikoI just had a thought that made me fall out of bed in a scary, scary way, AND YOU'RE ALL GOING TO BE TRAUMATISED WITH ME, DAMNIT!
Jean-Luc Picard, right, is Julius Caesar. No ifs or buts about it. He's Caesar, and Will Riker is Mark Antony and all the womanising and loyalty that implies, and Wesley Crusher is Octavius, and Octavia is Deanna Troy (and she even ends up with Mark Antony, how neat is that?), and Lwaxana Troy? is Atia of the Julii.
Which leaves the Senate as the Borg.
Data is probably Brutus, and the whole scene in First Contact where Data is tempted by the Queen is all about re-writing the killing of Caesar so that Brutus turns around and saves him. because, at the end of the day, Picard may be a tyrant (as the random 21st century woman says - Captain Ahab parallel or whathaveyou), but he's not quite that sort of tyrant.
All of which leaves TNG as Rome, with the gods - or, well, the Q - dropping in and messing upCaesar's Picard's playground...
I fully expect someone to write something appropriate, now. *cracks whip* Get to it, people!
Jean-Luc Picard, right, is Julius Caesar. No ifs or buts about it. He's Caesar, and Will Riker is Mark Antony and all the womanising and loyalty that implies, and Wesley Crusher is Octavius, and Octavia is Deanna Troy (and she even ends up with Mark Antony, how neat is that?), and Lwaxana Troy? is Atia of the Julii.
Data is probably Brutus, and the whole scene in First Contact where Data is tempted by the Queen is all about re-writing the killing of Caesar so that Brutus turns around and saves him. because, at the end of the day, Picard may be a tyrant (as the random 21st century woman says - Captain Ahab parallel or whathaveyou), but he's not quite that sort of tyrant.
All of which leaves TNG as Rome, with the gods - or, well, the Q - dropping in and messing up
I fully expect someone to write something appropriate, now. *cracks whip* Get to it, people!
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Date: 2006-08-13 12:50 am (UTC)Wasn't even there a random mention in TNG itself, an old professor of Picard saying that he was like a centurion patrolling the limits of the Roman Empire?
Ok, the centurion analogy doesn't work, but Caesar's? Damn well. The first seasons after Farpoint are Picard's Galic Wars... He is, in a way, a Caesar that preferred command of his army to political power (although his command was not without political power or repercussions, and he was hardly a faithful tool of the Federation/Senate).
Could have gone in a different way, though. Had the Founders infiltrated Earth during TNG instead of DS9... wow, the possibilities for Picard and his crew applying his particular style to Federation politics in the center, instead of mostly in the outer provinces of the Empire.
*makes sacrifices to your brain again, just in case*
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Date: 2006-08-13 12:50 am (UTC)Wasn't even there a random mention in TNG itself, an old professor of Picard saying that he was like a centurion patrolling the limits of the Roman Empire?
Ok, the centurion analogy doesn't work, but Caesar's? Damn well. The first seasons after Farpoint are Picard's Galic Wars... He is, in a way, a Caesar that preferred command of his army to political power (although his command was not without political power or repercussions, and he was hardly a faithful tool of the Federation/Senate).
Could have gone in a different way, though. Had the Founders infiltrated Earth during TNG instead of DS9... wow, the possibilities for Picard and his crew applying his particular style to Federation politics in the center, instead of mostly in the outer provinces of the Empire.
*makes sacrifices to your brain again, just in case*
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Date: 2006-08-13 08:35 pm (UTC)Devil's Advocate
Date: 2006-08-13 11:53 am (UTC)Thinks a bit: umm, still no.
But the setting is soooooooooo different. It doesn't feel right, like inapropriate touching.
Thinks a bit more, having a butchers at aligning Rome characters with other montage shows such as Deadwood etc. Considers that there is possibly work to be done a la Propp on standard characterisation in such shows, like Emotionally Retarded Bloke who Only Reveals Feelings When Too Late (Vorenus and Sheriff from Deadwood) Powerful Patrician Character Who We Love Despite His Flaws (Caeser and Al S.) Manly 2nd in Command Who Women Want and Men Want to Be (Mark Anthony and Ryker).
Having had several first, second and third thoughts: Right. It can be done, but maybe because of the character category thingy. This could be the subject of a great essay which we should work together on (like all the other great essays we should have written). It would be like The Seven Plots or Mythology of the Folktale only for character not plot. Think Gilbert and Gubar only for bloke characters too.
Hmmm.
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Date: 2006-08-13 08:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-08-14 08:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-08-14 08:32 pm (UTC)Also, there was cake. *smooches you*
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Date: 2006-08-15 08:09 am (UTC)e.g.
Leo in WW starts as some kind of stately sage figure who is a final port of call for advice and decisions. But when the drugs storyline comes along he is thrust to the centre and forced to rely on the wisdom and efforts of others (like josh's attempts to get the republican congressman out of the hearing)
Another example is V. Evey looks like a good candidate for the outsider. but V himself is a conundrum. He has sufficient power and understanding of the situation to be a patriarch (more so than Susan)And he acts in a similar paternal way to evey. However he also incorporates the dashingness of you're right hand man guy and the trixiness of the trickster.
He's like what you'd get if you cast Loki as james bond and he was your Dad.
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Date: 2006-08-15 05:21 pm (UTC)also?
He's like what you'd get if you cast Loki as james bond and he was your Dad.
= scariest thing EVER.