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athena25 more or less in tears because nothing's ever going to be easy, is it? *fume* Suffice to say, I am somewhat insulted by their offer. No - they didn't actually send me an offer, they sent me a copy of their standard offer to new graduates that is likely to resemble my offer. However, it is still insultingly low, as I no way shape or form resemble a 21 year old grad with no experience, no debts and no commitments. There is no way in hell I'd be able to live on that salary in Edinburgh. I am sincerely hoping that once I phone them up in a few days (I'm thinking Friday, or Monday, maybe), and explain that the offer is actually lower than the national average for this position, and that they'd require me to live in a capital city that it bloody expensive, they might see reason. I also have a couple of years' experience in finance. I worked this out and it's true. Many, many years' worth of part-time experience = two years' worth of full time experience. I will also have a diversity qualification, and seeing as they'll want me to consult and manage (rather than be an accountant, which would be dull and tedious), this will come in very handy, yea verily.
So, as I said, I'm going to call them and haggle. Because I am right now fuming. *snarl*
This state of affairs was not helped by watching 'Strange Relations' and the first half of 'Secrets of the Soul' withathena25, who had never seen either episode. I hadn't seen 'SotS' for a very long time and upon rewatching realised why.
Byron is an iidjit.
We knew that all ready, right? No, not quite. Byron is an idiot because he can't figure out why his people are going around quite happily making people think that they're on fire. Ah, but those were bad guys, I hear you cry! Of course Byron's followers were justified in messing with their heads. Or maybe those particular followers of Byron were a bit naughty. Anyway. He told them not to.
Bollocks, he did.
Every other word out of his mouth is 'mundane this' and 'mundane that'. He's Bester's baby through and through, grown up viewing non-teeps as inherently inferior. He asks for asylum, promises that they'll work - but when asked to do actual work, his people refuse. They only acquiesce because of Lyta. No you see them doing any other work? Ever? No. They don't volunteer anywhere, although they are probably trained. They treat any non-teeps with contempt, refuse to speak, or say that they've already taken the info from their minds. If I was Mr Garibaldi, I'd be pissed too. Sure, you don't want to block things because you don't think it's natural. But you know what? There's such a thing as manners. You're living on the station free of charge, and are given hand-outs of food and medical supplies. You're protected from the Psi Corps, but you continue to bite the hand that feeds you. Non-teeps did not put you through medical experiments. That would be Psi Corps. Non-teeps did not make you marry people you didn't want to. That would be Psi Corps. Non-teeps did not hunt you down with big fucking guns. That would be Psi Corps. Oh, but Lyta's OK, obviously, it's Mr Garibaldi and Sheridan and the non-teeps you should be wary of. Because, er, some non-teeps a few hundred years ago were terrified enough to insist on a Psi Corps. OK, not a good thing. Believe me, I empathise. Institutionalised slavery = not good. But the important thing is that Sheridan is not obliged to protect you. He really isn't. No law says he has to. You're refugees, we get that. Sheridan understands the moral imperative to provide shelter to those in need of it and does so. Are you following me, you iidjit? He provides shelter for the teeps - although it's mighty problematic for him and it blows up in his face - and it's almost entirely altruistic (we'll ignore the 'we need some teeps on our side' aspect of it for now).
I can understand that you have been victimised and persecuted and that you need someone to blame. Blame those responsible. That would be Psi Corps. That would be Earth Alliance teep policies. That would not be all non-teeps, most especially not the people sticking out their necks for you at this particular moment. If I were to, say, be a refugee in a different country that was sheltering me from a hostile, autocratic,Communist government that had held me hostage, tortured members of my family and made me sing patriotic bloody songs every bloody morning, I wouldn't be gunning for the nice normal policemen in the new country, me luv. I'd be aiming to twist the other guy's tail so hard it'll come off in my hand. And then some.
Byron, you're an idiot if you think that calling non-teeps 'mundanes' and treating them as little better than animals is going to stop your people from turning violent because you tacked on a 'oh, but violence is wrong' clause at the end of it. Your people, incidentally, don't appear to have actual personalities. Maybe they traded them in for a lifetime's supply of Pantene? Only Pantene could make your hair that shiny. I worked for Pantene, so I know this.It's all the happy chemicals they put in it. Did they take away their capacity for speech? You seem quite happy to speak aloud, at great length, about nothing in particular. Yet they seem to communicate with hugging and stroking. There's nothing quite so frightening as being surrounded by a dozen people with long hair, all wanting to stroke you. Believe me, I know.
Stop being a pillock, Byron. You were organised once. You could have been delightfully creepy. You could have scared the bejeezus out of every non-teep on the station and made us wonder whose side you were really on. You could have been sarky and snide. You could have taken an interest in Lyta other than the one you actually took. You might have noticed her in a way that didn't involve her telepath abilities or her long, flowing hair. However, I suspect that you were too busy shagging all of your followers at once to actually pay any proper attention to her. Do you know why? It's because you're an iidjit with a Messiah complex, and JMS should have heavy things thrown at him for writing you as a Jesus allegory. As the martyred saviour of a persecuted people, you suck. You should have been a cult leader with some charisma. Instead, you spent your entire time singing. Couldn't you sing mentally? We'd have all been much happier for it.
You're all idiots. The first thing I'd have done would have been to make myself invaluable. I'd have made friends. I'd have influenced people. Then I'd have asked for a homeworld, not after attempting blackmail. Just how well did you think that would go?
Why won't you all just die already, I want to watch Londo and G'Kar snark at each other. You should watch too. They do this peculiar thing, it's called acting.
Phew. Well, that made me feel marginally better. *kicks things*
athena25 more or less in tears because nothing's ever going to be easy, is it? *fume* Suffice to say, I am somewhat insulted by their offer. No - they didn't actually send me an offer, they sent me a copy of their standard offer to new graduates that is likely to resemble my offer. However, it is still insultingly low, as I no way shape or form resemble a 21 year old grad with no experience, no debts and no commitments. There is no way in hell I'd be able to live on that salary in Edinburgh. I am sincerely hoping that once I phone them up in a few days (I'm thinking Friday, or Monday, maybe), and explain that the offer is actually lower than the national average for this position, and that they'd require me to live in a capital city that it bloody expensive, they might see reason. I also have a couple of years' experience in finance. I worked this out and it's true. Many, many years' worth of part-time experience = two years' worth of full time experience. I will also have a diversity qualification, and seeing as they'll want me to consult and manage (rather than be an accountant, which would be dull and tedious), this will come in very handy, yea verily.So, as I said, I'm going to call them and haggle. Because I am right now fuming. *snarl*
This state of affairs was not helped by watching 'Strange Relations' and the first half of 'Secrets of the Soul' with
athena25, who had never seen either episode. I hadn't seen 'SotS' for a very long time and upon rewatching realised why.Byron is an iidjit.
We knew that all ready, right? No, not quite. Byron is an idiot because he can't figure out why his people are going around quite happily making people think that they're on fire. Ah, but those were bad guys, I hear you cry! Of course Byron's followers were justified in messing with their heads. Or maybe those particular followers of Byron were a bit naughty. Anyway. He told them not to.
Bollocks, he did.
Every other word out of his mouth is 'mundane this' and 'mundane that'. He's Bester's baby through and through, grown up viewing non-teeps as inherently inferior. He asks for asylum, promises that they'll work - but when asked to do actual work, his people refuse. They only acquiesce because of Lyta. No you see them doing any other work? Ever? No. They don't volunteer anywhere, although they are probably trained. They treat any non-teeps with contempt, refuse to speak, or say that they've already taken the info from their minds. If I was Mr Garibaldi, I'd be pissed too. Sure, you don't want to block things because you don't think it's natural. But you know what? There's such a thing as manners. You're living on the station free of charge, and are given hand-outs of food and medical supplies. You're protected from the Psi Corps, but you continue to bite the hand that feeds you. Non-teeps did not put you through medical experiments. That would be Psi Corps. Non-teeps did not make you marry people you didn't want to. That would be Psi Corps. Non-teeps did not hunt you down with big fucking guns. That would be Psi Corps. Oh, but Lyta's OK, obviously, it's Mr Garibaldi and Sheridan and the non-teeps you should be wary of. Because, er, some non-teeps a few hundred years ago were terrified enough to insist on a Psi Corps. OK, not a good thing. Believe me, I empathise. Institutionalised slavery = not good. But the important thing is that Sheridan is not obliged to protect you. He really isn't. No law says he has to. You're refugees, we get that. Sheridan understands the moral imperative to provide shelter to those in need of it and does so. Are you following me, you iidjit? He provides shelter for the teeps - although it's mighty problematic for him and it blows up in his face - and it's almost entirely altruistic (we'll ignore the 'we need some teeps on our side' aspect of it for now).
I can understand that you have been victimised and persecuted and that you need someone to blame. Blame those responsible. That would be Psi Corps. That would be Earth Alliance teep policies. That would not be all non-teeps, most especially not the people sticking out their necks for you at this particular moment. If I were to, say, be a refugee in a different country that was sheltering me from a hostile, autocratic,
Byron, you're an idiot if you think that calling non-teeps 'mundanes' and treating them as little better than animals is going to stop your people from turning violent because you tacked on a 'oh, but violence is wrong' clause at the end of it. Your people, incidentally, don't appear to have actual personalities. Maybe they traded them in for a lifetime's supply of Pantene? Only Pantene could make your hair that shiny. I worked for Pantene, so I know this.
Stop being a pillock, Byron. You were organised once. You could have been delightfully creepy. You could have scared the bejeezus out of every non-teep on the station and made us wonder whose side you were really on. You could have been sarky and snide. You could have taken an interest in Lyta other than the one you actually took. You might have noticed her in a way that didn't involve her telepath abilities or her long, flowing hair. However, I suspect that you were too busy shagging all of your followers at once to actually pay any proper attention to her. Do you know why? It's because you're an iidjit with a Messiah complex, and JMS should have heavy things thrown at him for writing you as a Jesus allegory. As the martyred saviour of a persecuted people, you suck. You should have been a cult leader with some charisma. Instead, you spent your entire time singing. Couldn't you sing mentally? We'd have all been much happier for it.
You're all idiots. The first thing I'd have done would have been to make myself invaluable. I'd have made friends. I'd have influenced people. Then I'd have asked for a homeworld, not after attempting blackmail. Just how well did you think that would go?
Why won't you all just die already, I want to watch Londo and G'Kar snark at each other. You should watch too. They do this peculiar thing, it's called acting.
Phew. Well, that made me feel marginally better. *kicks things*
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Date: 2005-04-12 11:42 pm (UTC)Point out that since you have experince, will be offering skills that add value and so forth, that you expect to make xx,xxx amount of pounds. Make it slightly ( but only slighhly) higher. Be ready to put what you can do for them that justifies that salary.
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Date: 2005-04-13 12:18 pm (UTC)I got so worked up last night and had a good cry about it, and then realised that I didn't have to accept the job. I really didn't. If everything fell apart, I could pack it all in and move back in with my parents for a few months and apply for every charity or diversity-orientated job going that would actually pay me for my MSc. Also, free room and food. Which would take a lot of the pressure off.
After I realised that, I called the company and asked them to call me back to discuss 1) more time to decide and 2) discuss the actual nitty-gritty of the offer. *resolve face*
Also, *hugs* for being so incredibly supportive. I need support. Support is good. :)
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Date: 2005-04-14 03:12 am (UTC)*hugs*
I have turned down many a job, despite being 3k miles away from family and such, because to accept a job that does not pay your for your knowledge is devaluing the marketplace, tro put it in economic terms.
And *hugs* again!
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Date: 2005-04-13 12:22 pm (UTC)And I couldn't really live on that in Edinburgh because I have postgrad loans to repay. I actually have worked out a minimum livable salary, and at 20K I don't think I'm asking much. Not for a grad training course rah rah rah. So, yeah. I'm having words. And if they don't budge, I'm going to turn them down. Because... because.
Also, how do you know what the exact offer was? I didn't include it in the initial post.