Angel & Connor question

[kangeiko]

Something just occured to me, and I'm sure that the A:TS devotees have figured out the answer to this already.

Why the hell didn't Angel lose his soul when Connor was born? Or, just after, when Darla had gone Pfft!, and he had a tiny, wriggly baby in his arms? And don't go on about his fear for Connor's well-being - he managed perfect happiness with Buffy when the world was about to end.

So?

*brain!cramp*

Comments

[kangeiko]

Absolutely not. Wesley has a fantastic arc in that season, and the Wesley fans I know, even those who absolutely hate Connor, love him in that season most of all.

Hmmm. I do love Wesley, so.... *is tempted* Kita was raving about this season too - you people are evil.

Give me possessed!Cordy over St. Cordy any time of the week, month or year.

*hisses* Yeah. S3!Cordy was just... wrong. But, OTOH, my fave Cordy was early S2 Cordelia, so...

or Fred/Wes in season 5.

Which, other than 'Hole', was terrible.

And the guest stars - Faith - with Faith and Wesley FINALLY having the chance to deal with what happened between them

Which may be the thing to tempt me to the dark side. *sigh* I do absolutely adore Faith, and to have her share screen time with Wesley would be ... ace.

Look, I know Connor isn't popular, and I don't expect everyone to share my love for the character.

hey, I liked him in S5! And in little bits and pieces here and there in S3, pre-Cordy. But the Cordelia/Connor dynamic never worked for me, and I just didn't 'get' where he was coming from. I couldn't connect with him and that makes it very hard for me to actually care what happens to him. Same thing happened with Fred - it took a very long time for me to view her as anything other than a weak, annoying damsel in distress.

4 really takes the crown for best written entire season, and especially best written entire season for the entire ensemble.

*g* Ok, ok, you win, i'll find a copy from somewhere! *g*

In other news, I need Carnivale-meta. Where is your carnivale-meta??

[selenak.livejournal.com]

*hisses* Yeah. S3!Cordy was just... wrong.

We're utterly in agreement there. Which is why I never understood why people complained about what S4 "did to Cordelia". I'm always: "FOUR? You mean THREE, surely? 4 salvaged her by retconning the 3 abomination into Cordy being manipulated, influenced and prompted by a Power That Was during that period. It allows me to forgive such s 3 lines like "the only feelings I care about are Angel's" because now I know she was Under The Influence.

I do absolutely adore Faith, and to have her share screen time with Wesley would be ... ace.

Lots and lots of screen time. Everything I hoped for ever since Five by Five.

But the Cordelia/Connor dynamic never worked for me, and I just didn't 'get' where he was coming from. I couldn't connect with him and that makes it very hard for me to actually care what happens to him.

Well, if you didn't see it on screen, that doesn't surprise me.*g* No, seriously: I don't think reading scripts is a replacement. Every actor brings a lot into the character, after all, and Vincent Kartheiser certainly does. Also, I'm of the heretic opinion that his chemistry with David Boreanaz easily rivals James Marsters'. As for where Connor came from in general, well, I wrote an entire essay about the boy, so I will just point there.

Carnivale meta:

http://selenak.livejournal.com/137715.html

http://selenak.livejournal.com/2005/02/03/

http://selenak.livejournal.com/138627.html

http://selenak.livejournal.com/138925.html

http://selenak.livejournal.com/139245.html#cutid1

http://selenak.livejournal.com/139426.html

http://selenak.livejournal.com/142199.html

http://selenak.livejournal.com/145168.html

http://selenak.livejournal.com/147248.html

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Oh, forgot one entry, the last one:

http://selenak.livejournal.com/148163.html

[kangeiko]

am i allowed to read all of them??? i've only seen season 1!

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Oh, in that case, stop after this one:

http://selenak.livejournal.com/139245.html#cutid1

Also, you might want to stop watching the show altogether. Trust me on this. Season 1 was wonderful. Then Ron Moore who coproduced the first season together with Daniel Knauf left to do BSG, and with him, alas, went moral ambiguity as well as f/f and young man/older woman pairings.

[kangeiko]

*upset*

That's not good!!

I mean - it's not like we're likely to ever have the second season released over here so it's a moot point, but - noooo! I want more ambiguity, not less!

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Alack. Alas. I mean, I should have been prepared for this, because both Knauf in the audio commentary and Moore in an interview mentioned that the entire Brother Justin season 1 storyline was moore - in Knauf's original pilot, Justin was an evil preacher (tm), and Iris and Norman didn't exist, and Moore rewrote said pilot and suggested a storyline that would lead Justin to the point where he accepts antichristdom.

Which is all well done, and I could have lived with Justin as reluctant anti christ, but what we get in the second season pretty soon is just your standard fantasy good versus evil stuff....

[selenak.livejournal.com]

You can, however, read this one (http://selenak.livejournal.com/147248.html) which only refers to a season 2 thing obscurely and at any rate is meta fandom fun, about the depiction of screen villains in many a show.